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Saturday, October 4, 2008
Change of venue for Palin Victory Rally to Pensacola Civic Center
Due to an overwhelming response, the Victory Rally with Republican Vice Presidential Nominee, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, and the Florida ticket scheduled for Tuesday, October 7, 2008, at the Pensacola Aviation Center, has been moved to the Pensacola Civic Center. Additional tickets are being printed and will be distributed to area victory offices (see list of locations below). All tickets previously issued will be valid at the new location.
Event Information:
Pensacola Civic Center
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008
201 East Gregory Street
Pensacola, 32502
Doors Open at 11:00 a.m. CT
We encourage attendees to arrive early. Security will be similar to airport security.
*Please limit backpacks and large bags.
*No coolers.
*No signs or markers.
Friday, October 3, 2008
FL District 2 US Congressional candidate Mark Mulligan on the Issues
I have been named Communications Director for the Mark Mulligan for Congress campaign. Many of you might not know where Mark Mulligan stands on the issues, so I put together a quick summary for voters unfamiliar with our Congressional candidate. He is a strong supporter of the McCain-Palin campaign.
Quick list on issues:
Help Main Street
Watch this video!!
AGAINST THE WALL ST. BAILOUT
Uphold the U.S. Constitution
Preserve our civil liberties and freedom
Become energy independent
Reduce our nearly 10 trillion dollar national debt
Less government spending
Lower Taxes
A strategic withdrawal from Iraq with honor
A strong stance on illegal immigration
Fix social security
Rebuild trust in government
As for Boyd, well...Hey "media", PLEASE STOP calling him a conservative Democrat when he votes like Pelosi tells him to!!!
A message fron Gov. Sarah Palin
Dear Supporter,
In the weeks since I joined John McCain as his running mate, the Obama-Biden Democrats have used their allies in the liberal media to paint us negatively, all in an attempt to sway undecided voters. Tonight's debate gave me the opportunity to bypass the biased media filter and communicate our shared values of reform directly to the voters.
I know millions were watching as I went toe-to-toe against Senator Biden to explain our plans. Reform Republicans will strengthen the economy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil and secure our nation from the threat of Islamic extremism.
As we head into the final month of the campaign, I'm asking you to ensure we have the resources necessary to compete with the Obama-Biden Democrats and their liberal media allies in races across the country. You can help today by giving your financial support right now.
The stakes are extremely high and voters are already casting their ballots for the general election. You may have heard the media reports out of Ohio about same-day registration and voting. The Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies are exploiting loopholes in Ohio election laws that we fear may result in unqualified voters casting ballots. They're also hoping our voters will be so confused, that they will throw up their hands in frustration and stay at home instead of voting. That's why it's important to re-double our efforts.
The Democratic Secretary of State in Ohio even tried to disqualify thousands of Republican absentee ballot applications. She enlisted the help of liberal partisan friends and special interest groups when we challenged this in court. Thankfully, we were successful in taking the case all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court and won the right to reinstate these absentee ballot applications. The Obama-Biden Democrats will likely try this shameful, partisan tactic in other targeted states. They'll do anything to win this election.
We're heading into the critical weeks when many undecided voters will make their choice. Our team needs to get our message out to these crucial voters who can tip the scales in our favor. Your generous contribution of $25, $50, $75, $150, $250, $500 or more will help our team reach these voters.
You donation to McCain-Palin Victory 2008 funds our critical get-out-the-vote efforts in states all across the country. These efforts will be critical in defeating the shameful tactics the Obama-Biden Democrats are employing. Will you help get-out-the-vote for our entire team by making a donation right now?
I want to sincerely thank you for your generosity. Anything you can do to help today will go a long way to securing Victory on November 4th.
Sincerely,
Governor Sarah Palin
In the weeks since I joined John McCain as his running mate, the Obama-Biden Democrats have used their allies in the liberal media to paint us negatively, all in an attempt to sway undecided voters. Tonight's debate gave me the opportunity to bypass the biased media filter and communicate our shared values of reform directly to the voters.
I know millions were watching as I went toe-to-toe against Senator Biden to explain our plans. Reform Republicans will strengthen the economy, reduce our dependence on foreign oil and secure our nation from the threat of Islamic extremism.
As we head into the final month of the campaign, I'm asking you to ensure we have the resources necessary to compete with the Obama-Biden Democrats and their liberal media allies in races across the country. You can help today by giving your financial support right now.
The stakes are extremely high and voters are already casting their ballots for the general election. You may have heard the media reports out of Ohio about same-day registration and voting. The Obama-Biden Democrats and their allies are exploiting loopholes in Ohio election laws that we fear may result in unqualified voters casting ballots. They're also hoping our voters will be so confused, that they will throw up their hands in frustration and stay at home instead of voting. That's why it's important to re-double our efforts.
The Democratic Secretary of State in Ohio even tried to disqualify thousands of Republican absentee ballot applications. She enlisted the help of liberal partisan friends and special interest groups when we challenged this in court. Thankfully, we were successful in taking the case all the way to the Ohio Supreme Court and won the right to reinstate these absentee ballot applications. The Obama-Biden Democrats will likely try this shameful, partisan tactic in other targeted states. They'll do anything to win this election.
We're heading into the critical weeks when many undecided voters will make their choice. Our team needs to get our message out to these crucial voters who can tip the scales in our favor. Your generous contribution of $25, $50, $75, $150, $250, $500 or more will help our team reach these voters.
You donation to McCain-Palin Victory 2008 funds our critical get-out-the-vote efforts in states all across the country. These efforts will be critical in defeating the shameful tactics the Obama-Biden Democrats are employing. Will you help get-out-the-vote for our entire team by making a donation right now?
I want to sincerely thank you for your generosity. Anything you can do to help today will go a long way to securing Victory on November 4th.
Sincerely,
Governor Sarah Palin
Poll watchers needed for Early Voting
Early Voting begins in less than three weeks. Monday is the final day to register to become a poll watcher for this important part of the 2008 Election.
Poll watchers play a vital role in our elections process, ensuring that every legal, legitimate vote counts. By volunteering to become a poll watcher for early voting, you can be a part of history this election cycle!
As a poll watcher, you will observe the voting process at a polling place in order to ensure that every eligible voter has the right to vote. A poll watcher acts as the eyes and ears of the Republican Party of Florida on behalf of all voting citizens, making sure that the election laws are followed, and that all legally registered voters are able to vote and have their vote counted.
Your help is critical to making sure that there is a smooth election in 2008. If you are interested learning more about this important responsibility, please e-mail Paul Washington at pwashington@rpof.org. Please respond by offering to volunteer your time during the early vote period or on Election Day.
Please click here to register today.
Thursday, October 2, 2008
Vice Presidential Debate Party @ Sonny's, 10-2
By Eric Wall
eCampaign Director
First I'd like to acknowledge and thank the owners and management of Sonny's for allowing us to watch the debate there and the efforts of Cindy Barry, the "button lady" as she is affectionately known, to make this event happen.
There was a good turnout of 40 local Republicans for the single Vice Presidential debate held in St. Louis, MO. Leading up to the beginning of the debate there was a little apprehension among the crowd about Gov. Palin's debating skill after the spate of interviews that were panned by the mainstream media. The party began with the Pledge of Allegiance and an invocation by Chairman Ted Haney before the debate began. We watched the Fox News broadcast of the event.
Sarah Palin started off a bit tentatively, seemed a little bit nervous, and both candidates stuck to their talking points in their opening statements. What stood out initially was that the "parents talking at a kid's soccer game" line in her opening statement was direct and effective.
Later, Palin really found her stride, and started taking shots at Biden, which got quite a few laughs from the local crowd at Sonny's. Biden seemed flummoxed at times. Some of the key phrases used by Gov. Palin was "never again" in regards to the subprime crisis, and how Americans were "craving something new".
Palin's only real struggle was having to defend parts of John McCain's record, as she is more effective on the attack. She would have slam-dunked this debate if she were the top of the ticket. Palin's a masterful debater and the evening's memorable moments all belonged to her. Everyone in the room laughed when she called him "Senator O'Biden". On foreign policy the exchanges were quite contentious and I would call that part of the debate a draw.
Judging impartially, overall not a real knockout blow for either side, but the line about "Say it ain't so, Joe. There you go again." got the biggest laugh in the room, and made me think of the Reagan-Mondale debate in 1984. She even referenced John Kerry's famous "I voted it for it before I voted against it" gaffe.
You have to give the win to Gov. Palin. She went toe-to-toe with a 36-year Senate veteran and managed to seem capable, while maintaining the common touch that has inspired so many people. The infamous Couric interview on CBS and the SNL skits will quickly be forgotten.
After the debate I talked to a few local Republicans and here are their responses.
Ken Ford-"It was a real serious debate. Sarah Palin held her own. She came prepared and scored some points."
Teresa Eaton-"She helped herself a lot and did very well!"
Richard Plantec-"She hit it out of the park. I thought Biden was quite smitten (with her)".
Beth Williams-"Palin was very positive and really on top of it. She definitely had her ammunition. She kept him on his toes."
Chairman Ted Haney and Vice Chairman John Salak were very pleased and agreed with Mr. Plantec that she hit it "out of the park!"
As for me, will all the negative coverage of her in the last two weeks, I feel that in the areas of preparation, style, personality and body language, Gov. Palin was the clear winner, and that Senator McCain must be very proud of her performance.
McCain-Palin 2008 tonight issued the following statement on tonight’s debate:
"Tonight, Governor Palin proved beyond any doubt that she is ready to lead as Vice President of the United States. She won this debate, putting Joe Biden on defense on energy, foreign policy, taxes and the definition of change. Governor Palin laid bare Barack Obama's record of voting to raise taxes, opposing the surge in Iraq, and proposing to meet unconditionally with the leaders of state sponsors of terror. The differences between the Obama-Biden ticket and the McCain-Palin ticket could not have been clearer. The American people saw stark contrasts in style and worldview. They saw Joe Biden, a Washington insider and a 36-year Senator, and Governor Palin, a Washington outsider and a maverick reformer. Governor Palin was direct, forceful and a breath of fresh air."
--Jill Hazelbaker, McCain-Palin 2008 Communications Director
Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer released the following statement today regarding the Vice Presidential Debate between Governor Sarah Palin and Senator Joe Biden:
“Tonight, people in Florida and across our nation learned more about Governor Palin’s real-life results and executive experience. With her signature plain-spoken style, Governor Palin contrasted her record of reform with Joe Biden’s smooth-talking, empty insider rhetoric, and the difference between them couldn’t have been clearer.
“Along with John McCain, Sarah Palin has clear convictions and knows what Americans want and deserve in our leaders: reform, a shake-up of the status quo, and bold leadership to get our economy back on track.
“Tonight, Governor Palin further energized Floridians by articulating her executive experience in an energy producing state, and talking about her strong support of international free trade, alternative energy and lower taxes for families and businesses - McCain-Palin policies that are critical to Florida’s economic prosperity.”
“Governor Palin laid out her vision to shake up Washington with John McCain, and we are more ready than ever to fight in Florida to send this team of mavericks to the White House to get to work for America.”
Economy Issue #1 for Floridians
In the swing state with the biggest electoral prize in the country, Interstate 4 could be the road to victory.
I-4 cuts across Central Florida from Tampa to Daytona. It divides the reliably Republican north and west from the heavily Democratic Miami area.
I-4 is the battleground.
"We are the fastest growing region in Florida," said Aubrey Jewett, an associate professor of political science at the University of Central Florida. "And because we have so many newcomers, they are not always necessarily so set in their political ways."
Unlike parts of the state with older voters who've generally got their minds made up, Central Florida is made up of many young groups who aren't registered with either party. The combination of demographics and new voters makes the area especially volatile.
There are 2 million new voters in Florida since the 2000 election, many of whom are spooked by the Wall Street meltdown.
The fastest growing demographic of new voters in Florida is Hispanic. Puerto Ricans, who compose a large part of the Central Florida mix, have tended to lean Democratic. But many have been swayed in recent elections, making them a crucial swing vote. "One other issue, of course, that Hispanics care a great deal about in Central Florida is immigration. For a while, earlier this year, that was a burning issue," Jewett said. "That's kind of faded as the economy and the war in Iraq and other things seemed to be the big issues."
Polls show that Florida voters now are most concerned about the economy.
By JEFFREY KOFMAN, ABC News
More...
I-4 cuts across Central Florida from Tampa to Daytona. It divides the reliably Republican north and west from the heavily Democratic Miami area.
I-4 is the battleground.
"We are the fastest growing region in Florida," said Aubrey Jewett, an associate professor of political science at the University of Central Florida. "And because we have so many newcomers, they are not always necessarily so set in their political ways."
Unlike parts of the state with older voters who've generally got their minds made up, Central Florida is made up of many young groups who aren't registered with either party. The combination of demographics and new voters makes the area especially volatile.
There are 2 million new voters in Florida since the 2000 election, many of whom are spooked by the Wall Street meltdown.
The fastest growing demographic of new voters in Florida is Hispanic. Puerto Ricans, who compose a large part of the Central Florida mix, have tended to lean Democratic. But many have been swayed in recent elections, making them a crucial swing vote. "One other issue, of course, that Hispanics care a great deal about in Central Florida is immigration. For a while, earlier this year, that was a burning issue," Jewett said. "That's kind of faded as the economy and the war in Iraq and other things seemed to be the big issues."
Polls show that Florida voters now are most concerned about the economy.
By JEFFREY KOFMAN, ABC News
More...
Governor Sarah Palin to Visit Florida again
Our Republican nominee for Vice President of the United States, Alaska Governor Sarah Palin, will join the Florida Ticket for Road to Victory Rallies on October 6th in Clearwater and Ft. Myers and on October 7th in Jacksonville and Pensacola.
For more information, please call (850) 391-4219 or visit Please allow plenty of time to clear security.
Jacksonville Rally
Road to Victory Rally
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Location: The Jacksonville Landing
Two Independent Drive
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Doors Open at 7:00 a.m. EST
Tickets may be picked up between the hours of 12:30 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. beginning on Thursday, October 2, 2008. Tickets are available at the following location and will be available at additional victory offices on Friday, October 3, 2008.
Duval County REC Victory Office
4965 Beach Blvd.
Jacksonville, FL 33207
(904) 398-1446
Pensacola Rally
Road to Victory Rally
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Location: Pensacola Aviation Center
4145 Jerry L. Maygarden Road
Pensacola, FL 32504
Doors Open at 11:00 a.m. CT
Tickets may be picked up between the hours of 12:30 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. beginning on Thursday, October 2, 2008. Tickets are available at the following location and will be available at additional victory offices on Friday, October 3, 2008.
Pensacola Victory Office
6565 North W. Street
Pensacola, FL 32505
(850) 969-0097
"In other news,the talk of McCain's grassroots problem in Florida is belied by the huge numbers of folks trying to get tickets to see Sarah Palin. In Pinellas,I hear more than 4,000 tickets have already been given and that's likely to double by tomorrow.In Fort Myers, all the drivers trying to get Palin tickets supposedly caused a traffic jam."
For more information, please call (850) 391-4219 or visit Please allow plenty of time to clear security.
Jacksonville Rally
Road to Victory Rally
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Location: The Jacksonville Landing
Two Independent Drive
Jacksonville, FL 32202
Doors Open at 7:00 a.m. EST
Tickets may be picked up between the hours of 12:30 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. beginning on Thursday, October 2, 2008. Tickets are available at the following location and will be available at additional victory offices on Friday, October 3, 2008.
Duval County REC Victory Office
4965 Beach Blvd.
Jacksonville, FL 33207
(904) 398-1446
Pensacola Rally
Road to Victory Rally
Date: Tuesday, October 7, 2008
Location: Pensacola Aviation Center
4145 Jerry L. Maygarden Road
Pensacola, FL 32504
Doors Open at 11:00 a.m. CT
Tickets may be picked up between the hours of 12:30 p.m. and 7:00 p.m. beginning on Thursday, October 2, 2008. Tickets are available at the following location and will be available at additional victory offices on Friday, October 3, 2008.
Pensacola Victory Office
6565 North W. Street
Pensacola, FL 32505
(850) 969-0097
"In other news,the talk of McCain's grassroots problem in Florida is belied by the huge numbers of folks trying to get tickets to see Sarah Palin. In Pinellas,I hear more than 4,000 tickets have already been given and that's likely to double by tomorrow.In Fort Myers, all the drivers trying to get Palin tickets supposedly caused a traffic jam."
Wednesday, October 1, 2008
Bay County GOP 10-1 News update
Fellow Republicans,
There is still time to make your reservations for the Vice Presidential Debate Party on Thurs. night, Oct. 2. We’ll watch the debate at Sonny’s Restaurant near the intersection of 23rd St. and Hwy. 390. Be there by 7:00 p.m. so you can order your meal before the debate begins. To make reservations, reply to this email or call me at 832-5689.
Sign waving this Sat. is at Malfunction Junction—the intersection of Harrison Ave. , Hwy. 98 ( 15th St. ) and Hwy. 231. Join us at the Republican Headquarters ( 1607 Lisenby Ave. ) by 10:30 a.m., or meet us at Malfunction Junction at 11:00 a.m. We will wave until 1:00 p.m., then return to Headquarters for a pizza lunch provided by The Red Elephant restaurant.
The movie “An American Carol” opens this weekend at the Carmike 10 at 4049 W. 23rd St . Republicans are attending as a group on Sun., Oct. 5, for the 3:10 p.m. showing. (Wear your McCain-Palin shirts!) The matinee price is $6.75 per person ($6.00 for senior citizens). The movie is 1 hour, 23 minutes long.
Volunteers are still needed to man the Republican booths at Oktoberfest this Sat., Oct. 4, and at the PCB Seafood, Wine and Music Festival next weekend. For more info and to volunteer, call the Headquarters at 763-8656.
Phone bankers are needed now more than ever. Phones and scripts are available at Headquarters during the week from 10 a.m. to 5:30 p.m., and on Sat. from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. If it’s raining at sign wave time this Sat., wavers who are comfortable making phone calls for McCain-Palin are welcome to phone bank instead.
The deadline for applying to be a poll watcher is rapidly approaching. Applications and information packets are available at Headquarters. For more info about both phone banking and poll watching, call Headquarters at 763-8656.
Thank you for everything you’re doing to elect McCain-Palin to the White House! You all are the best team ever!
Teresa Eaton
RPOF Chairman Greer: Ensure election integrity
In a letter delivered this morning, RPOF Chairman Jim Greer asks FDP Chairman Karen Thurman to help ensure that every legal, legitimate vote counts in the upcoming election and expresses concern that Democrat poll watchers may attempt to inappropriately "assist" Florida voters. The text of the letter is as follows:
Dear Chairman Thurman:
As the election approaches, I want to personally request the opportunity to work with you to ensure that Florida’s voters are given the opportunity to cast their ballots free of any harassment or intimidation and to make sure that every legal, legitimate vote counts.
As you may recall, in 2004 a circuit judge in Seminole County entered an injunction against the Florida Democrat Party and the Democrat National Committee enjoining them from harassing Republican poll watchers. This order was prompted by threatening letters and phone calls to Florida residents who had registered to serve as poll watchers on Election Day. This injunction is still in effect.
I have recently read reports that Florida Democrat lawyers intend to serve as poll watchers in order to “assist” voters at the polls during the general election. I am concerned about these reports, given Florida law regarding poll watcher conduct. In particular, it should be noted that Florida law regarding poll watchers strictly prohibits poll watchers from “interact[ing] with voters.” Fl. Stat. § 101.131. Thus, it would be inappropriate for your poll watchers to provide “assistance” to voters at the polls.
As Circuit Judge Nancy F. Alley warned in 2004, “The election process should be allowed to proceed without any interference, intimidation, or other threats that may have a chilling effect on the free exercise of voters to cast their legal ballots.”
I would welcome the opportunity to meet with you, either privately or publically, to discuss ways that we can help ensure that Florida’s Supervisors of Elections and their staffs uphold Florida’s election laws to protect Florida voters.
Sincerely,
James A. Greer
Chairman, RPOF
Latest polls as of October 1, 2008
FLORIDA
PPP (PDF). 9/27-28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 3.2% (9/6-7 results)
McCain (R) 46 (50)
Obama (D) 49 (45)
SurveyUSA. 9/27-28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 4.1% (9/16-17 results)
McCain (R) 48 (51)
Obama (D) 47 (45)
Rasmussen for Fox News. 9/28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 4.5% (9/24 results)
McCain (R) 47 (48)
Obama (D) 47 (47)
The Pollster.com chart, from 9/1 to present: McCain 47.5, Obama 47.1.
PPP (PDF). 9/27-28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 3.2% (9/6-7 results)
McCain (R) 46 (50)
Obama (D) 49 (45)
SurveyUSA. 9/27-28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 4.1% (9/16-17 results)
McCain (R) 48 (51)
Obama (D) 47 (45)
Rasmussen for Fox News. 9/28. Likely voters.
Margin of Error 4.5% (9/24 results)
McCain (R) 47 (48)
Obama (D) 47 (47)
The Pollster.com chart, from 9/1 to present: McCain 47.5, Obama 47.1.
McCain addresses gay rights in interview
What personal experiences or friendships in your life have shaped how you view gay issues?
John McCain: I have known former Congressman Jim Kolbe for 25 years. We first ran for Congress in Arizona the same year — in 1982. We served together starting in 1985. He’s a great American who spent two decades serving his country in Congress. Like me, he also served in Vietnam so we have a special kinship. When he came out in 1996, there was no question that I would stand by him. He’s a friend and a patriot and has been an admirable public servant, and a good example of why someone’s sexuality should not be relevant in public life.
I have also known former Tempe Mayor [Neil] Giuliano for many years. He headed Mayors for McCain in our 2000 campaign. I stood by him when there was an effort to recall him in 2001, led by people who objected to him being an openly gay public official. He was a hard-working public servant and someone I have great respect for.
Do you have any role models who are openly gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender?
McCain: I had the humbling experience of speaking at Mark Bingham’s funeral after the attacks on Sept. 11. Mark had supported me during the 2000 campaign. Unfortunately, I barely knew him, but our country learned about him after 9-11. He was one of the heroes on 9-11 who tried to retake control of United Flight 93. His efforts along with the other brave patriots could have saved hundreds of lives. I honor and respect Mark. Memories of his sacrifice and the other victims from 9-11 motivate me everyday to make sure we keep our nation safe from the terrorists who want to attack our way of life because freedom is a threat to their message of hate.
Here’s what I said during his eulogy:
I love my country, and I take pride in serving her. But I cannot say that I love her more or as well as Mark Bingham did, or the other heroes on United Flight 93 who gave their lives to prevent our enemies from inflicting an even greater injury on our country. It has been my fate to witness great courage and sacrifice for America's sake, but none greater than the selfless sacrifice of Mark Bingham and those good men who grasped the gravity of the moment, understood the threat, and decided to fight back at the cost of their lives. (The full eulogy is available at tampabaycoalition.com/files/0921McCainPR.htm)
Would you decline to nominate a qualified Supreme Court justice, cabinet member or other appointed position just because the person is openly gay?
McCain: I have always hired the most qualified and competent people — regardless of their political party, race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
Would you decline to nominate a qualified Supreme Court justice or cabinet member who had a history of anti-gay rulings?
McCain: I will nominate judges who interpret the Constitution, not judges who legislate from the bench. Legislators pass laws; judges interpret them. Unfortunately, too many judges have become confused [about] their role.
President Bush has been praised for his AIDS relief efforts in Africa, but many domestic AIDS service providers say the U.S. focus on the epidemic abroad ignores growing infection rates here at home. How would your AIDS policies differ from President Bush? And would you put a greater focus on the domestic problem?
McCain: I’m proud to have supported President Bush’s efforts to address the international AIDS crisis. History will remember him for the PEPFAR program, which has saved millions of lives. We’ve made progress on the domestic front too, but not enough. I am committed to supporting the development of a National AIDS Strategy. Countries receiving PEPFAR aid are required to develop a national plan; but we don’t have one in our country.
It’s important to settle on a national strategy — with input from state, local and federal government officials; along with the private sector, doctors, drug companies and AIDS advocates. Let’s roll up our sleeves and put together a National AIDS Strategy for more effectively addressing the domestic challenges.
Recent CDC statistics show that gay men continue to be strongly impacted by the disease, and the disease is disproportionately affecting people of color. Our prevention and treatment efforts must be improved to address these challenges.
Would you resume the practice started by President Clinton but discontinued by President Bush of creating a high-level White House staff position serving as liaison to the GLBT community?
McCain: I have already publicly stated that there will be no White House Office of Political Affairs in my administration — professional politics should be at the party committees, where it has a rightful place, not in the White House. I intend to be a President for all Americans. This discussion is somewhat premature given that I have not been elected (yet).
Important gay rights legislation unrelated to marriage has been stalled in Congress for some time. You have a reputation for having challenged your party in the past. Would you work with Congress to pass or deal with any of the following: ENDA, the hate crimes bill, repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?”
McCain: I promise to give full consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk. On “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” I’m going to defer to our military commanders. So far they have told me it’s working. I’m willing to have the policy reviewed to make sure that’s the case, but at the end of the day, I’m going to rely on the commanders who will be impacted by a change in the law.
What is your advice to gay rights activists as to what they should pursue and realistically expect to pass in 2009 with regard to the issues listed above?
McCain: My advice to all Americans is that it is time we came together to work in a bipartisan fashion to find real solutions to the challenges facing our country. I will be the President for all Americans — and will challenge every American to work with me to put our country first.
Would a McCain administration be willing to meet with and work with gay leaders to discuss matters of interest to the gay community?
McCain: I have met with leaders of Log Cabin Republicans in my campaigns. I am always willing to listen to all viewpoints and that will continue if I become President.
What is your reaction to the news that Log Cabin Republicans endorsed your campaign and will the Log Cabin Republicans be welcome in the White House if you're elected?
McCain: I appreciate Log Cabin’s support. I’ve had a friendly relationship with the organization for almost 15 years. We don’t agree on every issue, but I respect their commitment to the GOP and I thank them for their support. Our party needs to focus on what unites us and I appreciate Log Cabin’s effort to make the GOP more inclusive. I have always been willing to discuss the important issues of the day with Log Cabin members and that will continue if I am elected. This is going to be a close election and we need support from every American.
I hope gay and lesbian Americans will give full consideration to supporting me. The stakes are high in this election. I will have an inclusive administration and I will be a president for all Americans.
What are your views regarding the Defense of Marriage Act? Do you think DOMA devalues the relationships of gay citizens?
McCain: As a Republican, I am a strong advocate for federalism. States should be able to decide as many issues as possible. That’s certainly the case on the definition of marriage. My home state of Arizona shouldn’t be compelled to recognize a marriage from California or Massachusetts. Those states can decide that issue by themselves.
However, at the same time, my own view is that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman. That’s what I supported in Arizona. I realize this is a controversial issue and we must conduct this debate in a way that respects the dignity of every person.
What is your view of attempts to pass a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage? Do you think repeal of all of DOMA would prompt Congress to strongly consider and possibly pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage?
McCain: I voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004 and 2006. I continue to oppose such an amendment today, because as I’ve explained this should be a state matter, and not one for the federal government — as long as no state is forced to adopt some other state’s standard.
Regarding adoption by same-sex couples, you have been quoted as saying you don’t believe it’s appropriate. Can you elaborate?
McCain: I hope my comments are not misinterpreted. I respect the hundreds of thousands of gay and lesbian people who are doing their best to raise the children they have adopted. As someone who adopted a child, Cindy and I know better than most couples the amazing satisfaction that comes from providing love to an unwanted child. I believe a child is best raised by a mother and father because of the unique contributions that they make together to the development of a child.
At the end of the day, this isn’t an issue the president deals with. I’m a federalist, and this is an issue reserved to the states in our system of government.
What is your position on California's Proposition 8, which would ban same-sex marriage there?
McCain: As I did in my home state of Arizona, I support the effort in California to define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. However, the people of California will ultimately decide this issue, and I’ll of course respect the decision of the voters.
Do you foresee a day when the federal government will recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships performed by states?
McCain: I honestly don’t know.
How would a McCain administration approach abstinence-until-marriage sex education initiatives? What is your view regarding programs that provide safe-sex messages specific to gay youth?
McCain: I have supported including abstinence as a component of sex-education programs. Decisions regarding programs targeted specifically at gay youth should be made based on a review of the scientific data to determine what works and what doesn’t, but they must encourage responsible individual behavior.
When asked last year whether condoms help stop the spread of HIV, you were uncertain. Are you confident that condoms do help stop the spread of HIV?
McCain: Of course they help, but we can’t remove responsibility from the equation. Condoms aren’t fail-proof. People must behave responsibly and make wise decisions. Government can help with prevention strategies, but all people must choose to take responsibility for their own health.
Will you support the Employment Non-Discrimination Act if elected president?
McCain: Gay and lesbian people should not face discrimination in the workplace. I’ve always practiced that in my hiring. I select the best people, regardless of their sexual orientation. I support the concept of non-discrimination in hiring for gay and lesbian people.
However, we need to make sure legislation doesn’t lead to a flood of frivolous lawsuits or infringe on religious institutions. What I can say now is I will give careful consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk, and confer with Congress before making decisions.
Del Martin died on Aug. 27. She and Phyllis Lyon, her partner of 55 years, got married in the first legal gay union in California in June —affording Phyllis many of the basic protections and rights granted to married couples, such as hospital visitation and estate planning issues. Do you envision a time when all GLBT citizens will have similar basic rights? During your administration?
McCain: I respect that Del and Phyllis spent a lifetime together. As I stated earlier, however, I believe that issues regarding marriage and family laws are best decided by the states and not the federal government.
What are your thoughts on the Matthew Shepard Act?
McCain: I have voted against the proposal several times. Let me make it clear that no one should face violence because of who they are. It’s un-American and morally repugnant. People who commit any violent crime should face tough penalties. However, I am not convinced that this is properly a federal issue, or that criminal sentences for terrible crimes should be longer because of the views of the perpetrator or the identity of the victim.
How would you handle institutions such as the Boy Scouts and Salvation Army, which have been known to engage in discrimination against gays, to underscore your message?
McCain: I don’t believe that’s an issue for the President to deal with. I supported the Supreme Court’s decision in the Dale case. The Boy Scouts are an important institution in our society and they should decide this issue on their own.
John McCain: I have known former Congressman Jim Kolbe for 25 years. We first ran for Congress in Arizona the same year — in 1982. We served together starting in 1985. He’s a great American who spent two decades serving his country in Congress. Like me, he also served in Vietnam so we have a special kinship. When he came out in 1996, there was no question that I would stand by him. He’s a friend and a patriot and has been an admirable public servant, and a good example of why someone’s sexuality should not be relevant in public life.
I have also known former Tempe Mayor [Neil] Giuliano for many years. He headed Mayors for McCain in our 2000 campaign. I stood by him when there was an effort to recall him in 2001, led by people who objected to him being an openly gay public official. He was a hard-working public servant and someone I have great respect for.
Do you have any role models who are openly gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender?
McCain: I had the humbling experience of speaking at Mark Bingham’s funeral after the attacks on Sept. 11. Mark had supported me during the 2000 campaign. Unfortunately, I barely knew him, but our country learned about him after 9-11. He was one of the heroes on 9-11 who tried to retake control of United Flight 93. His efforts along with the other brave patriots could have saved hundreds of lives. I honor and respect Mark. Memories of his sacrifice and the other victims from 9-11 motivate me everyday to make sure we keep our nation safe from the terrorists who want to attack our way of life because freedom is a threat to their message of hate.
Here’s what I said during his eulogy:
I love my country, and I take pride in serving her. But I cannot say that I love her more or as well as Mark Bingham did, or the other heroes on United Flight 93 who gave their lives to prevent our enemies from inflicting an even greater injury on our country. It has been my fate to witness great courage and sacrifice for America's sake, but none greater than the selfless sacrifice of Mark Bingham and those good men who grasped the gravity of the moment, understood the threat, and decided to fight back at the cost of their lives. (The full eulogy is available at tampabaycoalition.com/files/0921McCainPR.htm)
Would you decline to nominate a qualified Supreme Court justice, cabinet member or other appointed position just because the person is openly gay?
McCain: I have always hired the most qualified and competent people — regardless of their political party, race, gender, religion or sexual orientation.
Would you decline to nominate a qualified Supreme Court justice or cabinet member who had a history of anti-gay rulings?
McCain: I will nominate judges who interpret the Constitution, not judges who legislate from the bench. Legislators pass laws; judges interpret them. Unfortunately, too many judges have become confused [about] their role.
President Bush has been praised for his AIDS relief efforts in Africa, but many domestic AIDS service providers say the U.S. focus on the epidemic abroad ignores growing infection rates here at home. How would your AIDS policies differ from President Bush? And would you put a greater focus on the domestic problem?
McCain: I’m proud to have supported President Bush’s efforts to address the international AIDS crisis. History will remember him for the PEPFAR program, which has saved millions of lives. We’ve made progress on the domestic front too, but not enough. I am committed to supporting the development of a National AIDS Strategy. Countries receiving PEPFAR aid are required to develop a national plan; but we don’t have one in our country.
It’s important to settle on a national strategy — with input from state, local and federal government officials; along with the private sector, doctors, drug companies and AIDS advocates. Let’s roll up our sleeves and put together a National AIDS Strategy for more effectively addressing the domestic challenges.
Recent CDC statistics show that gay men continue to be strongly impacted by the disease, and the disease is disproportionately affecting people of color. Our prevention and treatment efforts must be improved to address these challenges.
Would you resume the practice started by President Clinton but discontinued by President Bush of creating a high-level White House staff position serving as liaison to the GLBT community?
McCain: I have already publicly stated that there will be no White House Office of Political Affairs in my administration — professional politics should be at the party committees, where it has a rightful place, not in the White House. I intend to be a President for all Americans. This discussion is somewhat premature given that I have not been elected (yet).
Important gay rights legislation unrelated to marriage has been stalled in Congress for some time. You have a reputation for having challenged your party in the past. Would you work with Congress to pass or deal with any of the following: ENDA, the hate crimes bill, repeal of “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell?”
McCain: I promise to give full consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk. On “Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell,” I’m going to defer to our military commanders. So far they have told me it’s working. I’m willing to have the policy reviewed to make sure that’s the case, but at the end of the day, I’m going to rely on the commanders who will be impacted by a change in the law.
What is your advice to gay rights activists as to what they should pursue and realistically expect to pass in 2009 with regard to the issues listed above?
McCain: My advice to all Americans is that it is time we came together to work in a bipartisan fashion to find real solutions to the challenges facing our country. I will be the President for all Americans — and will challenge every American to work with me to put our country first.
Would a McCain administration be willing to meet with and work with gay leaders to discuss matters of interest to the gay community?
McCain: I have met with leaders of Log Cabin Republicans in my campaigns. I am always willing to listen to all viewpoints and that will continue if I become President.
What is your reaction to the news that Log Cabin Republicans endorsed your campaign and will the Log Cabin Republicans be welcome in the White House if you're elected?
McCain: I appreciate Log Cabin’s support. I’ve had a friendly relationship with the organization for almost 15 years. We don’t agree on every issue, but I respect their commitment to the GOP and I thank them for their support. Our party needs to focus on what unites us and I appreciate Log Cabin’s effort to make the GOP more inclusive. I have always been willing to discuss the important issues of the day with Log Cabin members and that will continue if I am elected. This is going to be a close election and we need support from every American.
I hope gay and lesbian Americans will give full consideration to supporting me. The stakes are high in this election. I will have an inclusive administration and I will be a president for all Americans.
What are your views regarding the Defense of Marriage Act? Do you think DOMA devalues the relationships of gay citizens?
McCain: As a Republican, I am a strong advocate for federalism. States should be able to decide as many issues as possible. That’s certainly the case on the definition of marriage. My home state of Arizona shouldn’t be compelled to recognize a marriage from California or Massachusetts. Those states can decide that issue by themselves.
However, at the same time, my own view is that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman. That’s what I supported in Arizona. I realize this is a controversial issue and we must conduct this debate in a way that respects the dignity of every person.
What is your view of attempts to pass a constitutional ban on same-sex marriage? Do you think repeal of all of DOMA would prompt Congress to strongly consider and possibly pass a constitutional ban on gay marriage?
McCain: I voted against the Federal Marriage Amendment in 2004 and 2006. I continue to oppose such an amendment today, because as I’ve explained this should be a state matter, and not one for the federal government — as long as no state is forced to adopt some other state’s standard.
Regarding adoption by same-sex couples, you have been quoted as saying you don’t believe it’s appropriate. Can you elaborate?
McCain: I hope my comments are not misinterpreted. I respect the hundreds of thousands of gay and lesbian people who are doing their best to raise the children they have adopted. As someone who adopted a child, Cindy and I know better than most couples the amazing satisfaction that comes from providing love to an unwanted child. I believe a child is best raised by a mother and father because of the unique contributions that they make together to the development of a child.
At the end of the day, this isn’t an issue the president deals with. I’m a federalist, and this is an issue reserved to the states in our system of government.
What is your position on California's Proposition 8, which would ban same-sex marriage there?
McCain: As I did in my home state of Arizona, I support the effort in California to define marriage as the union of a man and a woman. However, the people of California will ultimately decide this issue, and I’ll of course respect the decision of the voters.
Do you foresee a day when the federal government will recognize civil unions or domestic partnerships performed by states?
McCain: I honestly don’t know.
How would a McCain administration approach abstinence-until-marriage sex education initiatives? What is your view regarding programs that provide safe-sex messages specific to gay youth?
McCain: I have supported including abstinence as a component of sex-education programs. Decisions regarding programs targeted specifically at gay youth should be made based on a review of the scientific data to determine what works and what doesn’t, but they must encourage responsible individual behavior.
When asked last year whether condoms help stop the spread of HIV, you were uncertain. Are you confident that condoms do help stop the spread of HIV?
McCain: Of course they help, but we can’t remove responsibility from the equation. Condoms aren’t fail-proof. People must behave responsibly and make wise decisions. Government can help with prevention strategies, but all people must choose to take responsibility for their own health.
Will you support the Employment Non-Discrimination Act if elected president?
McCain: Gay and lesbian people should not face discrimination in the workplace. I’ve always practiced that in my hiring. I select the best people, regardless of their sexual orientation. I support the concept of non-discrimination in hiring for gay and lesbian people.
However, we need to make sure legislation doesn’t lead to a flood of frivolous lawsuits or infringe on religious institutions. What I can say now is I will give careful consideration to any legislation that reaches my desk, and confer with Congress before making decisions.
Del Martin died on Aug. 27. She and Phyllis Lyon, her partner of 55 years, got married in the first legal gay union in California in June —affording Phyllis many of the basic protections and rights granted to married couples, such as hospital visitation and estate planning issues. Do you envision a time when all GLBT citizens will have similar basic rights? During your administration?
McCain: I respect that Del and Phyllis spent a lifetime together. As I stated earlier, however, I believe that issues regarding marriage and family laws are best decided by the states and not the federal government.
What are your thoughts on the Matthew Shepard Act?
McCain: I have voted against the proposal several times. Let me make it clear that no one should face violence because of who they are. It’s un-American and morally repugnant. People who commit any violent crime should face tough penalties. However, I am not convinced that this is properly a federal issue, or that criminal sentences for terrible crimes should be longer because of the views of the perpetrator or the identity of the victim.
How would you handle institutions such as the Boy Scouts and Salvation Army, which have been known to engage in discrimination against gays, to underscore your message?
McCain: I don’t believe that’s an issue for the President to deal with. I supported the Supreme Court’s decision in the Dale case. The Boy Scouts are an important institution in our society and they should decide this issue on their own.
Tuesday, September 30, 2008
Chairman Greer on PBS' News Hour
Tallahassee–Republican Party of Florida Chairman Jim Greer and several RPOF Volunteers will appear on PBS’s The News Hour with Jim Lehrer today, Tuesday, September 30 and tomorrow, Wednesday, October 1, 2008. Chairman Greer will discuss Florida as a battleground state as well as the role grassroots activities will play in the remaining weeks of the 2008 Election Cycle. The News Hour will also feature volunteers from Victory Offices in Tampa and Miami.
Please check your local listings to confirm a time The News Hour will air in your region.
Governor Huckabee will appear today on the Neil Cavuto Show on Fox News at 3:40 central time to talk about the "bailout".
VP Debate watch party 10-2
Republican Vice Presidential
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Thursday, October 2
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Monday, September 29, 2008
Poll: McCain to do well in N. Florida
Panhandle counties more conservative than many other parts of state.
By Lloyd Dunkelberger
Ledger Tallahassee Bureau
CHIPLEY | Barack Obama won't find too many supporters at the bar at the American Veterans Post 7 in this small town in the middle of Florida's Panhandle.
'This country would go down the tubes if they put him in there,' said Ron Noss, 64, a Vietnam veteran and the canteen manager for the local veterans' organization. 'We need a veteran in there.'
Although Noss used a racial epithet when first asked about the presidential campaign, he and other bar patrons insisted race wasn't the issue.
'We have nothing against a black man running for president,' said a man sitting at the bar who declined to identify himself. 'I think that's great if it's the right black man.'
The exchange at the veterans' bar in Washington County represents the political challenges that Obama faces in the Florida Panhandle, a sparsely populated region that is much more conservative and less diverse than many other parts of Florida.
Democratic presidential candidates, like Obama, generally don't run well in the Panhandle outside of the Democratic-leaning Tallahassee area. In 2004, John Kerry won only three of the 16 Panhandle counties that stretch from Jefferson County, east of Tallahassee, to Escambia, Florida's most western county.
President George W. Bush carried more than 71 percent of the vote in Washington County.
A Mason-Dixon poll conducted in mid-September showed Republican John McCain leading Obama in North Florida by an 18 percent margin.
A number of factors tilt the Panhandle toward more conservative candidates in national elections. The region has a half-dozen military bases — including the Naval Air Station at Pensacola and Eglin Air Force Base near Fort Walton Beach — and a large population of former veterans.
The Panhandle residents more often than not reflect stronger 'Old South' values than the rest of the state. Here sentiments run strong for religion, gun rights and anti-abortion efforts.
But that's not to say the Panhandle is monolithic and unchanging. While there are smaller rural counties like Liberty, which is Florida's least-populated county, there has been a growth boom along the coast in places like Panama City, Destin and the coastal communities between Fort Walton Beach and Pensacola.
The Panhandle has Florida's only black-majority county — Gadsden.
And while it has small towns with funky names like Two Egg and Sopchoppy, the Panhandle also boasts tonier addresses in places like Seaside, an upscale beachfront community in Walton County.
As Florida heads toward another presidential election, Panhandle voters share a common trait with the rest of the state. They are very worried about the national economy.
'The economy is on the minds of a lot of people,' said Washington County Sheriff Bobby Haddock, a conservative Democrat who is running for re-election. 'I don't know who they are going to blame.'
Haddock has a good sense of the voters because he uses a time-honored campaign technique in the Panhandle — going door to door.
'I'm seeing a lot of people out of jobs,' he said. 'They're suffering and hurting right now.'
In Apalachicola, Walter Ward, 50, who has spent some 35 years in the seafood industry, said he is holding most of his five shrimp boats in port because of the high cost of diesel fuel.
'It's slow with the fuel prices,' he said.
Ward said he is likely to vote for McCain 'because of Sarah Palin,' McCain's running mate.
'I think she would make a better president than both of them,' he said.
In Port St. Joe, Irene Acree, owner of Cooper's Cut & Style hair salon, said she now rides her bike to work partly for health reasons and partly because of the high price of gas.
She said she will vote for McCain because he has successfully faced adversity in his lifetime, including his time as a prisoner of war in Vietnam.
'He's stepped up to the plate in times that have needed him,' she said.
Acree, 50, is skeptical of Obama, although she said he is 'probably a good fellow.'
'I want change,' she said. 'But I don't know what that guy is going to change. I do know he believes in socialized medicine.'
Eating breakfast at Cassandra's Place in downtown Panama City, Bob Dallas said the economic slowdown has brought his work as a mortgage broker 'almost to a halt,' saying it is difficult to obtain appraisals in a chaotic real estate market.
Dallas, a veteran who was wounded in a mortar attack in Vietnam, said he has registered to vote for the first time since he returned from the war and he is supporting Obama.
'I'm going to vote for Obama and I've been a diehard Republican for most of my life,' the 66-year-old said. 'I know if we get McCain in, it's going to be more of the same — it's not going to change anything.'
Another breakfast diner, Linda Long, 60, said she likes McCain and Palin enough to vote for a Republican for the first time, having supported Kerry in the last election. With a son in the U.S. Army who has done two tours in Iraq, she said McCain's military background and experience will help bring the war to an end.
'I think the boys have to come home,' she said.
At the Holmes County fair in Bonifay, Bob Jones, the county's Republican chairman, joked he had not seen anyone all week handing out campaign literature in the Obama booth at the fair.
'I think John McCain and Sarah Palin will do very, very good here,' he said.
Sitting on a bench in the fairgrounds with his daughter, Martin Andrews of Ponce de Leon said he was voting for McCain.
'I just feel like he would be a better leader right now,' he said.
Calling the economy a 'pretty bad mess,' Andrews, 56, who works at the Vortex Springs diving resort, said the nation's leaders need to do something about the sky-high fuel costs, saying it is hurting all parts of the local economy from truck drivers to farmers.
'People are going to start getting hungry pretty soon if something doesn't change,' he said.
Heading into the Christ Town Bargain Center in Marianna, William Walters, 70, a retired state worker, said he was likely to vote for Obama.
His wife, Deanne, who can't vote because she is a British citizen, said the couple support Obama because he is more likely to change the policies of the Bush administration, including bringing the Iraq war to an end.
Deanne Walters also said Obama could face opposition in the Panhandle because of his race.
'It's still very prejudiced,' she said. 'But it's undercover now. Nobody says much openly. But that will go against him a lot.'
At the breakfast diner in Panama City, one man seemed to reflect the angry mood of an electorate buffeted by an economic meltdown.
The man, who declined to identify himself, said he wasn't going to vote for either McCain or Obama.
'Neither one is worth a -----,' he said. 'The economy stinks. Everything stinks.'
US Rep. Allen Boyd (D-FL) votes for bailout
Democratic Representative Allen Boyd voted for the bailout and Jeff Miller(R-Pensacola) voted against the bill...
U.S. Rep. Allen Boyd, D-Monticello, voted for the bill. Back in Florida on Tuesday, he conducted an interview on his car phone. Much of the displeasure on the bailout appears to be with the Bush administration, he said.
"I wasn't totally surprised, but I was disappointed," Boyd said of the bill's defeat. "The fiscal policy was upside down ... This had to happen sooner or later, we just didn't expect it sooner. ... There are underlying policy issues we have to fix and that will not happen until we get a new president. ... It's a matter of figuring out where we are, how we got there and what we can do to fix it. Whoever gets elected will get a chance to do that."
As part of the Blue Dog Coalition, Boyd favors what he calls a "recoupment clause" in which bailed-out companies would pay fees to alleviate the need of such money coming from taxpayers.
"This won't wave a magic wand," said Boyd, who represents District 2. "What this does is avert the crisis. The timetable on when it happens is less important than getting this right. We saw markets settle today, so the fundamentals haven't really changed.
"What's really important is addressing fiscal and regulatory policy issues, lack of oversight, and you can't buy more than you're willing to pay for as a nation," Boyd summarized. "All of those things have to be fixed." via NWF Daily News
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